August 17, 2022

We’ve Obtained A File On You options interviews through which artists share the tales behind the extracurricular actions that dot their careers: performing gigs, visitor appearances, random web ephemera, and so on.

For those who’re a songwriter, then Dave Stewart wants no introduction. The typical listener is extra prone to know him as one half of British synth-pop innovators Eurythmics, which he and musical associate Annie Lennox carried out as for practically a decade, from 1980 to 1990, with sporadic reunions after that.

After the worldwide success of early ’80s radio gems like “Candy Goals (Are Made Of This)” and “Right here Comes The Rain Once more,” Stewart turned a extremely sought-after producer and songwriter, collaborating with everybody from Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers to No Doubt, Bono, Mick Jagger, Jon Bon Jovi, Joss Stone, Daryl Corridor, Sinéad O’Connor, Katy Perry, and Ringo Starr — simply to call a couple of.

Greater than that, even, Stewart has one thing of a Forrest Gump-like means to be within the room when main historic occasions happen. He famously ideated the Touring Wilburys (Bob Dylan complained to Stewart that he wished to be in a band like that point he was in the Band), and he wrote what would later develop into Tom Petty’s “Don’t Come Round Right here No Extra” for Stevie Nicks (a second he recounted with some grace and humor in his 2016 memoir).

Extra lately, Stewart created and government produced the 2019 NBC actuality collection Songland. He launched a brand new solo album Ebony McQueen in Could of this yr. In June, Stewart and Lennox had been inducted into the Songwriters Corridor Of Fame, and in November, they’ll be inducted into the Rock & Roll Corridor Of Fame together with Pat Benatar and Neil Giraldo, Duran Duran, Eminem, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, and Carly Simon.

Forward of his and Lennox’s Rock Corridor induction, Stewart walked us by components of his sturdy profession, which incorporates hanging within the studio with Aretha Franklin, working with Nelson Mandela, opening for a really early-career Elton John, and far more.

Induction Into The Songwriters Corridor Of Fame & The Rock & Roll Corridor Of Fame (2022)

You’ve labored with such a variety of well-known musicians over such a very long time. Do you’ve a philosophy round staying updated on pop-music traits, or is that not a priority?

DAVE STEWART: I by no means take a look at it like, “Oh, I’m a producer making an attempt to form of be in competitors or sustain with something that’s occurring on iHeartRadio or pop information or something.” I simply have no real interest in that in any respect. And it’s a distinct type of rat race now. I wouldn’t actually need something to do with it.

I by no means considered that even once I was writing with Gwen [Stefani] for No Doubt [on 2001’s Rock Steady]. I by no means considered something other than making an attempt to make one thing together with her that meant one thing to her when she was singing it. Clearly the lyrics and the music fell into the world of No Doubt, and that occurred to be fairly Jamaican-sounding on the time. And I received to have a home for years and go in Jamaica with a buddy.



In order that was very pure for me. After which I met [Jamaican singer and Rock Steady featured artist] Woman Noticed in Jamaica earlier than anyone knew who she was. She was the good form of little bit within the center. However I by no means actually, although that was a giant hit for them, I wasn’t pondering, “Oh, it is a hit.”

[Then] when Katy Perry got here to my farm and I met her a few occasions, I feel with Glen Ballard. She was in a stage the place it was that factor that each one younger artists undergo — making an attempt to form of get a degree throughout of who she was, but in addition being handed round a bit. I name it “decide it up, suck it up, and drop it.” That may make them get fairly misplaced.


However anyway, we had been simply writing songs with Katy that had been simply her expressing how she was feeling. After which so it was. I by no means met with anyone [where] I believed, “Properly, I’m going to essentially attempt to write a pop hit or one thing.”

It sounds such as you’re actually plugged into the particular person, not a lot traits.

STEWART: Yeah. It’s often artwork as properly. I’m not an individual that’s contacted by file labels or me contacting file labels, making an attempt to be in. I by no means noticed myself as a file producer or a songwriting collaborator, actually [it’s] the best way issues form of turned out. I stumbled throughout issues that occurred to be of curiosity to me, or issues form of fell into my world. I feel it’s a bit this designating a documentary referred to as The Artwork Of Chaos.

I really feel fairly nonetheless within the heart of the vortex. It’s when you find yourself an individual who’s feeling relaxed in the midst of chaotic conditions, that’s usually fairly enticing, I feel, to different artists that need to take part on regardless of the hell the factor is.

I suppose I’ve a number of adventures. And inside these adventures, issues occur and songs come out. And typically I’m having an journey and it’s probably not vital — for example, I spent plenty of time with nice mates with George Harrison. At one level, George requested me to supply his album with him. Then, George wished to remain in my home in Los Angeles for a yr along with his spouse and Dhani, his son. I used to be on the identical time filming an 8mm semi digicam stuff with [Bob] Dylan. The explanation I constructed the home [was], it was ’not far away from Tom Petty, whom I had develop into good mates with. So then, Dylan was saying he by no means had a band just like the Band. I mentioned, “The one band I do know can be the Heartbreakers.”

So at one time limit, I noticed I had in my again backyard, there was Tom [Petty] and Bob [Dylan] and George Harrison and Jeff Lynne, who used to return ’spherical on a regular basis. After which the Wilburys [came of that]. That’s what I imply by typically issues are simply occurring and I’m not truly [personally involved]. Goodness, that it’s fairly bizarre to grasp, however I’m form of nearly proper there.

Writing Unique Songs For Alfie With Mick Jagger (2004), Forming SuperHeavy With Jagger, Damian Marley, Joss Stone, & A. R. Rahman (2011)

You’re just like the glue.

STEWART: It’s not like I’m making an attempt to do it on function. Like, “Hey, you guys ought to all be in my backyard and kind a band referred to as the Touring Wilburys.”

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The one time I did one thing whereas I used to be in Jamaica — I believed there have been these competing science programs from completely different villages making this unimaginable echoing sound. And I [said], “Oh, okay. This can be attention-grabbing.” I referred to as Damian Marley, I referred to as Mick Jagger and A. R. Rahman. That was the one time I mentioned, “I’m wondering what that experiment can be like?”



And what was your connection to Joss Stone on the time? You knew her from Alfie?

STEWART: I’d recognized Joss since she was 15. She’d made these collection classes, after which I recorded her on the movie soundtrack singing “Alfie.” It’s a tremendous tune, the chord adjustments and every thing. She got here in and he or she was nearly 16 on the time. Clearly she was younger and by no means seen the movie or something. And she or he simply nailed it in a single take. And Mick [Jagger] and I had been wanting on the window, it was in Abbey Street and it was fairly unbelievable. And I prompt Joss for [SuperHeavy].

The Vacationers’ “I Solely Need To Be With You” (1979)

Why did you choose to cowl “I Solely Need To Be With You” method again if you and Annie Lennox carried out because the Vacationers?

STEWART: As amusing! Because the Vacationers, not one of the different songs had been like that. They’re just about doom-and-gloom songs. All life’s tragedies and issues like that. And within the studio, we simply began taking part in that as amusing. We hated the truth that, that was a single and successful as a result of that was nothing what the group was about.


Really, that wasn’t the beginning of my profession taking part in dwell. I used to be signed to Elton John’s label once I was assume 18 and 19 as [Longdancer]. The very first thing we did — this little band we had been in from Sunderland — we’d solely performed in a people membership [before]. We had been supporting Elton John in a stadium. We had been all taking part in acoustic guitars. It was a espresso store factor, type of acoustic guitars and harmonies. So [we were] tossed within the deep finish, if what what I imply?

That appears like plenty of stress. Did you’re feeling that on the time?

STEWART: Oh God, yeah. And naturally what we did was, we performed the complete album after which we sang the backing vocals when [Elton] was on stage. As a result of he simply come out with Don’t Shoot Me I’m Solely The Piano Participant. It was “Rocket Man,” when he goes [sings] “and I feel it’s going to be lengthy, very long time” and “Daniel is travelin’ tonight on a airplane.” It was superb, truly.

I stood proper subsequent to the piano on stage with him and he’s singing these songs one after the opposite. Now, he’s is also singing them within the file firm workplace on the piano. “What do you consider this one?” After all I used to be amazed at nearly each one in every of them. As a result of he’s such a… Properly for a begin, he’s such an unimaginable piano participant. The mix of Bernie Taupin’s lyrics and the best way Elton simply merely put them to music — actually put the paper in entrance of him and simply sang it with out figuring out something. That was my first jolt of electrical energy, eye-opening [experience with] songwriting.

“Don’t Come Round Right here No Extra” & Friendship With Tom Petty (1985)



The best way you met Tom Petty by way of Stevie Nicks is already a reasonably well-known story. How did your relationship with him evolve after that?

STEWART: Properly, you see I made a decision to purchase and construct home and a studio about two streets away from him. As a result of I didn’t know anyone in LA, and I actually received on properly with him. After which after the band received all of the preliminary shock of me introducing sitars, I received on properly with Benmont [Tench] and Mike Campbell. In reality, I received Mike Campbell to play on guitar [on some] Eurythmics information.

After which it turned a bit gang [with] Stan Lynch, the [Heartbreakers’] authentic drummer. We’d all hang around. I feel what occurred was, Tom had come to a crossroads in his relationship at dwelling. And a crossroads, musically. And I used to be this English [guy] — I wasn’t actually understanding Americana or American music or something. And I feel he discovered it actually refreshing. So we might grasp round so much collectively and go locations collectively and I’d play music.

After which issues like I used to be into filming issues after which form of turned him onto the concept of [music] movies. I made this mad collection referred to as Past The Groove for Channel 4, which was six episodes of an hour every or one thing. And all people in it’s doing dwell issues, there’s Tom Petty and Little Richard and [this] fairly nice lady nation singer who got here out, she was one of many first lady singers on the time that was straightforwardly homosexual from the phrase go. [Editor’s note: Stewart is most likely referring to k.d. lang.]


Anyway, all people in it was superb on this collection. And Tom was up [in the] Hollywood Hills pretending he was tenting on the market as a type of hobo. After which I filmed him [when he wrote] “Free Fallin’” — I mentioned, “Oh, let’s shoot some stuff behind this automobile.”

We had a good time simply making loopy bits to motion pictures and likewise simply hanging out. Simply going for breakfast or going to an Indian restaurant. I imply, we frolicked on a regular basis.

I used to be at [his] memorial with outdated mates and all that stuff. I’m excellent mates along with his daughter, Adria. She requested me if I wished do a tune not lengthy after that. And I did “It’s Good To Be King” [to commemorate what would have been Petty’s 70th birthday], which might be on YouTube. I did it with these nice Nashville gamers. In reality, Adria simply requested me if I wished to do a tune from the Everly Brothers album that she was getting all of the brothers to launch, and he or she was working with the Everly Brothers’ property to assist them. I wound up Amy Lee from Evanescence and mentioned, “Hey, do you need to sing ‘Love Hurts’ with me?” And we simply did it. That’s in all probability on YouTube as properly.

“Sisters Are Doin’ It For Themselves” With Aretha Franklin (1985)

You appear nearly impervious to changing into pigeonholed in any explicit style or period.

STEWART: I’m simply making an attempt to have enjoyable, if what I imply. I actually am happy that I didn’t get caught in a style in a band having to play the identical type again and again. Now, even in Eurhythmics, folks take into consideration “Candy Goals” [being] digital, however we truly grew shortly. I launched a full orchestra on “Right here Comes The Rain Once more.”

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We went by every kind of style and specs: R&B on “Sisters Are Doin’ It For Themselves.” After which simply when folks thought, “Oh, we’ve received it,” we’re doing this type rock-type factor with “Missionary Man” and all that. We went again to a very bizarre digital album referred to as Savage. So we might by no means get put right into a field.

Do you discover any irony in the truth that a tune like “Sisters Are Doin’ It For Themselves” was hailed as a contemporary feminist anthem nearly 40 years in the past, and at present girls’s rights are being overtly demolished within the US?

STEWART: Yeah. I imply, “Candy Goals (Are Made Of This)” is related in the best way that it was actually an ironic assertion about, “Hey, is that this the world that we actually assume is? I had dream that it’s all very fucked up and the identical?” [With] “Sisters Are Doin’ It For Themselves” — Annie, from the start, even after we lived collectively as a pair, after which after we determined to be Eurhythmics and never dwell collectively, it was the each of us going, “Hey, what about if we put on actual fits collectively?” In order that isn’t like, “Oh, it is a lady singer, it is a boy.” It’s like, “Hey, it is a full equal, all people’s on the identical [page].”


[When] she was singing within the Vacationers… From a feminine perspective, you get plenty of unusual issues it’s important to take care of — the best way males [act] in direction of girls is simply so insane. It’s neanderthal. So it was from the start, we’re going to make statements within the songs, and Annie might adapt from that into personas.


When got here to “Sisters Are Doin’ It For Themselves,” we’d completed this file, and Annie got here in all excited — the little rooms you’ve off the studio the place they name it the lounge, however it’s often concerning the measurement of a shoebox? I used to be in there, and he or she got here in and mentioned, “I’ve simply written this poem.” It’s referred to as ‘Sisters Are Doin’ It For Themselves.’” And I believed, look, it’s nice. It doesn’t should be a poem. and I began going [sings the melody], and I sang the phrases from her web page. So it’s a talking-singing verse, however then it builds up into the massive refrain. Inside quarter-hour, we realized, “It is a tune.”

After which any person prompt Aretha [Franklin], it was in all probability Clive [Davis]. Clive wasn’t a part of our label on the time. That tune was on an album that was earlier than Clive received concerned… [I thought], “Properly, that’s going to be not possible. However all of the sudden, it was doable.


Anyway, we’d already placed on Benmont and Mike Campbell and me and [bassist] Nathan [East]. It already sounded actually good as a result of I placed on this large shaker I made out of placing pencils and little bit of issues within the massive tin. In order that was sounded an enormous shaker — you possibly can hear it if the file’s actually loud.

I feel Aretha was not fairly certain what was occurring. There’s this English lady with cropped hair. However she was very pleasant and he or she mentioned, “Oh, I’ve been up cooking hen.” And it was type of bizarre as a result of I used to be a vegan on the time. However anyway, after they had been going through one another on the mic and there was a movie at this that no one’s seen, I used to be within the mixing desk and the concept was to sing it, going through one another, singing a line at one another, then collectively.

Aretha was smoking a cigarette and he or she had a jean jacket on, pulled up on the collar, very relaxed, like, “Properly, what’s this going to be like?” After which Annie opened her mouth to sing. It was attention-grabbing as a result of Aretha shortly put the cigarette out [as if to say], “Oh, that is going to be a correct duet.”


Lyrically, on the time, it’s very related, however a few of it was not as harsh because it might be. As a result of actually, as John Lennon had sung, “Lady Is The N***** Of The World”? That’s a fairly harsh assertion. However what he’s saying is like, “All people’s speaking about all these completely different racist world[s], however girls had been handled like shit, mainly. And in a lot of the Western world, we all know that after which the office and all over the place. And there are among the different components of the world the place it’s 10 occasions worse.

I wish to be a lady in America however I wouldn’t prefer to be a lady in Afghanistan. It’s simply mad truly, it’s very onerous. As a result of I’ve at all times been with very robust girls and I’ve at all times actually seen them from that equal [perspective], with out even interested by it. After which I nonetheless, once I go into someplace, in a bar or wherever, I’m simply amazed on the method it has not advanced in some folks’s brains. For me, it’s utterly thoughts blowing.

Writing “American Prayer” With Bono and Pharrell Williams (2002/2008)

Given how “American Prayer” has gone by a few iterations — from being written in 2002 and up to date when Obama ran for President in 2008 — have you ever ever given any thought to how you’d replace the tune for 2022?

STEWART: Say, no, now let me simply take into consideration this now…

What was occurring was, I used to be requested by Nelson Mandela to assist flip his jail quantity — 466/64, essentially the most damaging quantity in his life — into one thing. He wished it to be a constructive quantity and produce consciousness about AIDS and no matter he wished [for the] Nelson Mandela Basis.

So I began off by making it a phone quantity and I received Richard Branson to assist get that working. After which I used to be writing songs with completely different folks. After which Bono and I, we went right down to America collectively for per week, simply the 2 of us. And we had been writing completely different songs all the best way round, and this explicit one was getting caught in our head. We went and we determined, “Hey, let’s do a live performance at Inexperienced Level Stadium [in Cape Town].”

So we went and met with Beyoncé and all these folks, and we saved coming again to singing this tune. Then we mentioned, “Oh, let’s strive it this fashion. Let’s strive it that method.” I’ve plenty of it on movie. We had so many various variations of this. After which we had been within the stadium, I’ve received a movie of me, the Edge, and Beyoncé rehearsing about quarter-hour earlier than about to play it.

So then after we began getting concerned in making an attempt to get Obama elected. I bear in mind I believed, “Oh, grasp on, that is the time to complete what we began.” To chop an extended story quick, I believed, “I’ll simply exit and movie completely different folks becoming a member of in on the concept of what America might be.”

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The difficulty is, what I truly take into consideration America proper now is that we’re on the sting of civil conflict. The police have truly changed into extra of a military than a police power. It’s been fairly scary — being not American, however having lived in America — to see it slowly go this fashion. However I can see how that tune “American Prayer” now… It’s important to return into bringing peace to a nation that’s utterly [got] a lot unrest. It might be a problem of the civil rights motion.


However the factor is, any scenario proper now, to inform you the reality, I’m writing a tune the place there’s three of us collectively. One in every of them is Boris Grebenshikov, the “Russian Bob Dylan.” And the opposite one is the Ukrainian artist and myself — an Englishman, a Russian, a Ukrainian. [It’s] concerning the unhappiness and tragedy round conflict, proper? [Grebenshikov] already spoke out in opposition to the conflict. He’s needed to be to maneuver about, if what I imply. So I’m form of writing a brand new “American Prayer,” however it’s truly not about America for the time being.

I don’t know what you’re feeling, however I feel America is on the brink.

Oh, I couldn’t agree extra.

STEWART: Yeah. I feel lots of people are usually not understanding that it’s on the brink. And I bear in mind my dad talked about this — clearly now there’s so many information channels and social media and every thing — however on the time, my dad [in] England, they weren’t privy to how they had been going to get dragged into the conflict with Germany again in World Conflict II. It was all nearly at their doorstep.

There’s so some ways in which you’ll be able to perceive what’s occurring, what’s coming — however it’s worse as a result of it’s all jumbled up and it’s so filtered and designed to maintain you [watching] no matter you’re looking at. You’re dragged down that wormhole. Some child in Alabama is likely to be watching YouTube and the subsequent factor , you’re spending eight hours watching right-wing propaganda. As a result of it retains developing with the subsequent one.


In reality, a French man, he invented that algorithm that made it perceive synthetic intelligence. When he realized what was occurring, he went to Google and YouTube [and offered] a solution to change it as a result of it saved dragging folks down wormholes. As a substitute, let’s supply them some else to observe, however it’ll be the choice [point of view]. They usually mentioned, “Oh no, we’re not making an attempt change it. We simply need them to maintain watching.”

Working With Sinead O’Connor (2000)

You talked about the way you’ve labored with plenty of robust feminine performers in your profession. On an identical be aware, I really feel such as you’ve labored with plenty of feminine performers who’re going although durations of transition — Gwen Stefani, Katy Perry, and so on. Once you labored with Sinead O’Connor on Religion And Braveness, what did you need to assist her accomplish on the time?

STEWART: On the time, she was very a lot feeling up and actually having fun with what we had been doing. I used to be asking her so much about her life and what she’d been by and all this type of stuff. After which we’d provide you with songs [like] “Daddy, I’m High-quality.” They’re all private songs. What had occurred to Sinead was, she’d been feeling misunderstood as a result of one other time when she ripped up the [picture of] the Pope on the TV in America.



On SNL, yeah.

Stewart: Properly, you see, she had suffered a horrible time. Being dragged to the church, confess. She hadn’t accomplished something. However issues had occurred to her, simply by being very younger. And like lots of people, the Catholic church had utterly confused her life and made it torturous for her. Clearly there’s alternative ways of expressing that, and he or she expressed it on nationwide tv. She’d come out of all of that and was nonetheless making an attempt to deal with her life as a human being.


I feel we in all probability met a couple of occasions with Bono and the Edge, and we simply began to jot down one thing, and that led to one thing else. Then it led to her speaking about her life, after which that led into one other tune, and it began to develop into an album. I bear in mind she needed to go meet Madonna as a result of Madonna wished to place the album out, in all probability round concerning the time of Alanis Morissette.

I bear in mind on the time I used to be about to return out, she advised the label they weren’t allowed to name her “Sinead,” they needed to name her Sister Mary One thing. She was having a psychological break… What you name when folks have out-of-body experiences? Disassociate. She having durations of disassociating.

And, after all the label in all probability wouldn’t know what to say or do about that…. However I imply, I actually respect Sinead as a result of she is aware of what she feels. When she’s singing and when she’s feeling what she’s feeling and the phrases are popping out of her mouth, it’s simply every thing occurring directly. It’s watching any person experiencing, or re-experiencing. She’s in it utterly. It’s simply this entire being of giving it every thing she’s received.


And so I had a number of perspective. It’s onerous to see typically what she goes by. All people’s talked about psychological well being and psychological consciousness and all this type of stuff… [But] folks don’t perceive it at first. Like, “Properly, why did they do this?” Artists are usually very delicate folks.

Most artists do not know that they’d do within the public eye… They get put into the machine, they should do all this stuff and seem and do interviews and go on TV and take huge lengthy journeys in vans and flying about everywhere, like, “Oh, you’ve received to neglect about your private life or your loved ones life.” And by the best way, often they’re utterly scammed out of all their cash.


And so from the general public’s perspective, they’ve been [shown] this movie star world [where it looks like] all artists are having a good time and are actually rich, and so they’re fortunate as a result of they’ve received all this cash and so they’re having enjoyable. However all those I do know are having all kinds of [problems]… And only a few of them are literally making sufficient to even exist. It’s an the wrong way up type of world now.

There was once plenty of bands that had been fairly pleased [releasing] a certain quantity of information and having the ability to play to a certain quantity of individuals and that’s what they did. They had been area of interest and that’s their life and so they favored it. Now that’s simply not possible, I feel.